Re: A few more videos
Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:29 am
How much of a disadvantage are two wheels when braking into a bend?
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jcochrane wrote:Incidentally on motor or pedal bike I choose not to counter steer but rather push down on the handlebar to get the bike to lean in whilst ...
jcochrane wrote:The way I see it is that, like so much else in driving, flexibility is the key. For those bends where the limit point extends before or at hinting/steering input then clearly trail braking (as applicable in road use not track) is not feasible as at the moment the limit point moves away the throttle is applied. However for bends where the limit point is static or moving closer is when trail braking might be considered as a wise tool to use. Downhill bends, or decreasing radius bends will usually require trail braking. Occasionally there are bends where trail braking, in the track sense, may work well but this doesn't happen often in my view.
I am one of those in favour of following the advice in Roadcraft, that Roadcraft and IPSGA should be used flexibly and are not cast in stone. In other words apply common sense and decide what is the best thing to do.
Gareth wrote:How much of a disadvantage are two wheels when braking into a bend?
Gareth wrote:How much of a disadvantage are two wheels when braking into a bend?
janetwise-griggs wrote:It's to transfer load onto the front wheel so you have more grip when you counter steer to start the turn.
GTR1400MAN wrote:jcochrane wrote:The way I see it is that, like so much else in driving, flexibility is the key. For those bends where the limit point extends before or at hinting/steering input then clearly trail braking (as applicable in road use not track) is not feasible as at the moment the limit point moves away the throttle is applied. However for bends where the limit point is static or moving closer is when trail braking might be considered as a wise tool to use. Downhill bends, or decreasing radius bends will usually require trail braking. Occasionally there are bends where trail braking, in the track sense, may work well but this doesn't happen often in my view.
I am one of those in favour of following the advice in Roadcraft, that Roadcraft and IPSGA should be used flexibly and are not cast in stone. In other words apply common sense and decide what is the best thing to do.
Agreed and I do cover those situations in the video on trail braking.
The issue I have is the sheer amount of advice on YouTube etc. telling riders that they must trail brake and anyone who says not is an old fuddy duddy. My video, and the one from Roadcraft Nottingham, came from the frustration of nothing countering this "king's new clothes" flood of videos and online articles from the established Roadcraft proponents. I've even seen a couple of IAM bike groups share/promote these pro trail braking videos.
jcochrane wrote:Why continue braking when you could be accelerating because the limit point is extending?
Horse wrote:jcochrane wrote:Why continue braking when you could be accelerating because the limit point is extending?
Have a look at the one (Bret Tkacs) that I linked. He suggests a 3 stage process with TB as #2, moving to that as a crossover just as the exit is visible. I think
It's the clearest I've seen anyone explain it for application, but I still don't like or fully understand it (possibly with former leading to latter).