Motorcycle Roadcraft 2020

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Re: Motorcycle Roadcraft 2020

Postby Horse » Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:32 am

Ohlins wrote: It needs pruning.

John Locke wrote:I am now too lazy, or too busy to make it shorter.


Was it Colin Chapman who said (or quoted) "add lightness and simplicate"?
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Re: Motorcycle Roadcraft 2020

Postby Gareth » Sun Nov 01, 2020 1:02 pm

For those who know, how has the motorcycle edition changed over the years, and has it broadly followed the changes in the motorcar edition?
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Re: Motorcycle Roadcraft 2020

Postby Horse » Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:15 pm

Gareth wrote:For those who know, how has the motorcycle edition changed over the years, and has it broadly followed the changes in the motorcar edition?


Broadly, yes. Even to the level of cut and pasting in the bit about fog lights. Not many bikes have them ;)
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Re: Motorcycle Roadcraft 2020

Postby Horse » Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:19 pm

oh, there is an extra (that some car drivers do too), the 'lifesaver' last look over your shoulder before committing (e.g. before turning right major to minor).

FWIW, many riders do them too late. It should be done early enough to abort the manoeuvre.
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Re: Motorcycle Roadcraft 2020

Postby GTR1400MAN » Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:02 pm

To the side, not over the shoulder ;)

Been having this discussion elsewhere. It is very rare on a bike with mirrors to need to perform any rear obs by doing an impression of an owl.
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Re: Motorcycle Roadcraft 2020

Postby exportmanuk » Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:22 pm

It is a blind spot check. If I didn't know where my shoulder where then I guess I would do a shoulder check, but if I had lost my shoulder I guess I would have bigger concerns. This goes back to the comments around correctly adjusted mirrors too. If your mirrors are in the right place you only need to look into the actual blind spot, not right behind you.
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Re: Motorcycle Roadcraft 2020

Postby Horse » Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:56 am

Most vehicles have some mirror blind spots. 'Over the shoulder' was simply, for the car driving non-riders, to give an idea of the general direction.

If you want more accurate/specific, then a shoulder check is used where mirrors would usually be better and a 'lifesaver' is more (in these days of full-face helmets and shoulder armour) a look sideways and 'down'.
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Re: Motorcycle Roadcraft 2020

Postby GTR1400MAN » Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:31 am

No probs Horse.

I was being a bit touchy having been attacked elsewhere for my poor rear obs as I wasn't looking over my shoulder.
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Re: Motorcycle Roadcraft 2020

Postby exportmanuk » Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:09 pm

We had an observer who insisted that associates put chin to shoulder for blind spot checks, He was also a CBT instructor. He was very prescriptive with what he expected for everything , real painting by numbers sort of guy.
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Re: Motorcycle Roadcraft 2020

Postby Horse » Mon Nov 02, 2020 3:40 pm

When I took the Star Rider Gold test (about 1985?), the ride was in two parts. To start, until told otherwise, it was 'full system' (bluebook 7 features), including a 'short' arm signal.
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