Reg Local - IAM Masters

[jcochrane]

... a likely occurrence when driving on the road.

Although could doing (and trying to cling onto control during) an unintentional off-road excursion create the situation?

I think in those circumstances you may have more to worry about than a wrench on the thumbs. It may also be possible that the firmer grip on the wheel may help to keep some control and minimise the accident.(The argument for doing it when racing.)

[Horse]

... a likely occurrence when driving on the road.

Although could doing (and trying to cling onto control during) an unintentional off-road excursion create the situation?

I think in those circumstances you may have more to worry about than a wrench on the thumbs. It may also be possible that the firmer grip on the wheel may help to keep some control and minimise the accident.(The argument for doing it when racing.)

There are times when letting go of the wheel is the best option.

^ That's advice from a ex-colleague who did a lot of research on airbags.

[Horse]

I think in those circumstances you may have more to worry about

I knew someone who bought a Porsche when airbags were rare.

He said that the manual advised: "If the airbag deploys it will make a loud noise. However, there will be other loud noises to distract you."

[jcochrane]

There are times when letting go of the wheel is the best option.

^ That's advice from a ex-colleague who did a lot of research on airbags.

Definitely. Once passed the point of recovery and keep the brake on.
This is the instruction given when driving a Nascar on an American Speedway.

[Horse]

There are times when letting go of the wheel is the best option.

^ That's advice from a ex-colleague who did a lot of research on airbags.

Definitely. Once passed the point of recovery and keep the brake on.
This is the instruction given when driving a Nascar on an American Speedway.

His advice was based on imminent collision and adverse effects on forearms.

[GTR1400MAN]

Yet every car I've driven in the last 20 years have had indents on the top of the spokes to locate you thumbs.

[crr003]

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OK, here's another:

Limit point. Furthest bit of clear, visible, road surface so the longest braking distance available.

Isn't it actually 'see is clear and expect to remain so'? At least, that's how I thought the explanation went (and taught it).

However, in the first video and (I think) an earlier one, he leaves of that qualifier.

My take on his would be that the kind of person contemplating going for Masters knows this book reading definition malarkey forwards and backwards - the full explanation will be implied and understood by the target audience.

[Horse]

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OK, here's another:

Limit point. Furthest bit of clear, visible, road surface so the longest braking distance available.

Isn't it actually 'see is clear and expect to remain so'? At least, that's how I thought the explanation went (and taught it).

However, in the first video and (I think) an earlier one, he leaves off that qualifier.

My take on his would be that the kind of person contemplating going for Masters knows this book reading definition malarkey forwards and backwards - the full explanation will be implied and understood by the target audience.

Yes, I'd agree. But he felt it necessary to cover the first two elements. And I'm fairly sure I've heard him [not] say the same thing before.

Edit: thinking on this, that qualifier could make a substantial difference to stopping distance and so speed. So hardly a trivial thing to omit.

[GTR1400MAN]

OK, here's another:

Limit point. Furthest bit of clear, visible, road surface so the longest braking distance available.

Isn't it actually 'see is clear and expect to remain so'? At least, that's how I thought the explanation went (and taught it).

However, in the first video and (I think) an earlier one, he leaves of that qualifier.

What qualifier? I can't see it in my copy.

The only sources of this I can find online are a Survival Skills/Kevin Williams article and an archived discussion on the old forum that those words don't actually exist.

[Jonquirk]

I wonder if that’s something that Chris Gilbert might have said on one of his DVDs. I don’t have time to rewatch them to confirm that.