Rear Fog Light Etiquette...

[vanman]

It's just part of the wider question - why is society so tolerant of shit drivers?

'cos there are so many of them.

[dvenman]

It's just part of the wider question - why is society so tolerant of shit drivers?

So that's why people call me anti-social...

[vanman]

It's just part of the wider question - why is society so tolerant of shit drivers?

So that's why people call me anti-social...

Of course there maybe a totally different reason

[sussex2]

It's just part of the wider question - why is society so tolerant of shit drivers?

The whole purpose if the official state driving test is to ensure that those too dangerous to be allowed on the road do not gain a licence. That is the standard and IMO very few peoples driving goes beyond that standard.
I believe it to be a myth that experience of itself will bring an improvement.

[Horse]

I believe it to be a myth that experience of itself will bring an improvement.

The stats for crash involvement post-test show IIRC that there is a learning curve, reduced with age. However, long-term, it's likely that there's no substantial further learning. I'll try and find a graph showing this.

Practice doesn't make perfect, it makes permanent.

[Horse]

Not quite the one I was thinking of (which shows crash involvement by age at test pass), but it's close:

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The ... _276838476

[Horse]

[waremark]

Interesting that according to that graph people licenced later have more accidents right into middle age. I am surprised that after 10 years of driving someone licenced at 21 has a higher accident rate than someone licenced at 18 - providing they survive the particularly high accident rate in their first year of driving!

It looks as though a mature driver who started at 18 has about 2 accidents per million km, or 600k miles. If the average annual mileage is about 10k, that suggests that an average accident rate is one every 30 years. I don't know what category of accident this graph is supposed to measure but I thought the average accident rate was very much higher. I seem to remember old Roadcraft suggesting one every 7 years.

[Horse]

I don't know what category of accident this graph is supposed to measure

You'd probably need to delve into the original research, e.g. "1 The effects of age and experience on collision risk, from Maycock et al. (1991; figure reproduced from Maycock, 2002)"

[sussex2]

I believe it to be a myth that experience of itself will bring an improvement.

The stats for crash involvement post-test show IIRC that there is a learning curve, reduced with age. However, long-term, it's likely that there's no substantial further learning. I'll try and find a graph showing this.

Practice doesn't make perfect, it makes permanent.

I think you are correct and often when I get in a car with someone who has been driving for years, they still drive like a learner. Or, use motos and methods they learned many years ago and have not adapted to technological or methodical changes over the years.