Horse wrote:The government has yet to confirm if the figures include deaths and serious injuries on closed roads during races.
Takes away the headline, doesn't it. So it tells us nothing.
Horse wrote:The government has yet to confirm if the figures include deaths and serious injuries on closed roads during races.
Gareth wrote:Horse wrote:The government has yet to confirm if the figures include deaths and serious injuries on closed roads during races.
Takes away the headline, doesn't it. So it tells us nothing.
janetwise-griggs wrote:The conclusion, after lots of expert witnesses had been called was something along the lines of "the human eye is not particularly good at this particular task".
Horse wrote:Gareth wrote:Horse wrote:The government has yet to confirm if the figures include deaths and serious injuries on closed roads during races.
Takes away the headline, doesn't it. So it tells us nothing.
Apparently,
Between 1907 and 2019 there have been 151 fatalities during official practices or races on the Snaefell Mountain Course, and 260 total fatalities (this number includes the riders killed during the Manx Grand Prix, and Clubman TT race series of the late 1940s/1950s).
I had a quick look for total IoM stats.
For fatals, 1993-2011: 174
But you make a good point, that one thing of 'no speed limit' can't be seen in isolation. IoM history means certain roads don't have any maximum speed limit, which is associated with the riding demonstrated by visitors, for example to the TT races. Anecdotally, some crashes were foreign visitors (there for the TT) forgetting which side of the road to use.
However, I don't know how the stats are for crash types or how they relate to particular roads or crash scenarios. They might (but probably didn't) involve pedestrians in 30 limit areas.
Horse wrote:And, of course, the lack of a maximum limit on a particular road doesn't mean that any speed is a good idea. I've not been there, but have seen enough pics and video to know that it's little different to various road types over here.
crr003 wrote:On the safest road type in UK (with a hard shoulder in those days)
crr003 wrote:Horse wrote:And, of course, the lack of a maximum limit on a particular road doesn't mean that any speed is a good idea.
I'm surprised you wrote that - since when has a number on a stick been a safe speed?
Triquet wrote:The M4 J13-15 was also host to some of the most egregious speeding. J13 (Newbury) to J12 (Theale) used to be even worse as there was a perception of "downhill" to Reading.
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