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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66965714

Personally I doubt anything will change with respect to the (in)sanity of these schemes. "Review guidance on 20mph speed limits in England, to prevent their use in "areas where it's not appropriate""

Having dealt with councils previously, they have absolutely no interest or understanding of "guidelines". I'm still not sure why we don't have a single national body responsible for speed limit setting that is indepedent of any politics. Same for roads maintenance - with actual accountability not just hand wringing and "soz, no money" while always finding plenty for humps or lower limits

jont- wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66965714

Personally I doubt anything will change with respect to the (in)sanity of these schemes. "Review guidance on 20mph speed limits in England, to prevent their use in "areas where it's not appropriate""

They will just say that it is appropriate and do it anyway.

jont- wrote:Having dealt with councils previously, they have absolutely no interest or understanding of "guidelines". I'm still not sure why we don't have a single national body responsible for speed limit setting that is independent of any politics. Same for roads maintenance - with actual accountability not just hand wringing and "soz, no money" while always finding plenty for humps or lower limits

How would that [bolded] work? As much as I would love it to be possible I do not believe that any such body would, or ever could, be independent of any politics. Who appoints them? Who funds them? It is and always will be political.

I commented the following on a similar Facebook post.

Can local councils be trusted to set the limits? They'll be setting them all over the place just to be seen 'doing something' and because 'all the other councils are'. There was much more consistency of limits before councils were allowed to set limits locally. We've already seen 50mph slowly becoming the new NSL in some counties. Suffolk has had blanket 30mph wherever there is a few houses for many years now. So much so when I venture out of Suffolk I fear I have missed a sign if I'm doing more than 30 and a few houses loom into view

Here’s one example of Oxfordshire’s new 20 limits. Was 30 when Google drove through a few months ago but I believe now 20.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/GFFdjZPkP3xSqrd8A?g_st=ic

Even when it was 30mph, overtakes here were frequent.

As mentioned in a different thread, I have personally written to my MP suggesting that speed limit legislation might be reviewed. I did so some months ago, before it became a campaigning issue.

Here's a link to the Govt's recently, 2nd Oct, released "The Plan for Drivers"
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... or-drivers

that I came across on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0fhsEzLSn4&t=218s)

This includes comments on 20mph.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... e-67634965

"Despite only 7% of 2,226 responses in a recent consultation endorsing the move, Labour, Green, and Liberal Democrat representatives on the committee supported the change, arguing it would help save lives ."

I do wonder what the point of a consultation is.

crr003 wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-67634965

"Despite only 7% of 2,226 responses in a recent consultation endorsing the move, Labour, Green, and Liberal Democrat representatives on the committee supported the change, arguing it would help save lives ."

I do wonder what the point of a consultation is.

If it's anything like the ones conducted by our council then it is a box ticking exercise, nothing more. That way they can say that a consultation was carried out. They are then free to ignore the result and do whatever they wanted anyway. That's how we got a blanket 20mph limit (only a few roads excepted). Other consultations have been carried out and similarly ignored.

Strangely Brown wrote:

crr003 wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-67634965

"Despite only 7% of 2,226 responses in a recent consultation endorsing the move, Labour, Green, and Liberal Democrat representatives on the committee supported the change, arguing it would help save lives ."

I do wonder what the point of a consultation is.

If it's anything like the ones conducted by our council then it is a box ticking exercise, nothing more. That way they can say that a consultation was carried out. They are then free to ignore the result and do whatever they wanted anyway. That's how we got a blanket 20mph limit (only a few roads excepted). Other consultations have been carried out and similarly ignored.

Nah, the real reason is further down the article.

"It also said there was a risk the authority may have to reallocate or give grant money back to the Liverpool City Region if it did not move ahead."

jont- wrote:

Strangely Brown wrote:

crr003 wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-67634965

"Despite only 7% of 2,226 responses in a recent consultation endorsing the move, Labour, Green, and Liberal Democrat representatives on the committee supported the change, arguing it would help save lives ."

I do wonder what the point of a consultation is.

If it's anything like the ones conducted by our council then it is a box ticking exercise, nothing more. That way they can say that a consultation was carried out. They are then free to ignore the result and do whatever they wanted anyway. That's how we got a blanket 20mph limit (only a few roads excepted). Other consultations have been carried out and similarly ignored.

Nah, the real reason is further down the article.

"It also said there was a risk the authority may have to reallocate or give grant money back to the Liverpool City Region if it did not move ahead."

I read that - it was a "selling point" - "it's free money, it's not council tax money", or words to that effect.

Also I'm sure I read that for the second consultation, the emphasis was on the electorate adding to the suggested roads to be reduced to 20. There was an inference that the planned reductions would be going ahead anyway - maybe why the number of responses was so low; it was pointless to play the game.

Some insultations are listened to...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-d ... e-67654368