Highway Code Review for cyclists, pedestrians and horse riders

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Re: Highway Code Review for cyclists, pedestrians and horse riders

Postby Gareth » Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:35 am

Carbon Based wrote:This may be related to my perception that the membership really don't like to share the road

Do cyclists like to share footpaths with those on foot when it's marked for cyclists? Do motorists like to share the road with those on foot when there is a footpath alongside? Is it reasonable to expect motorists to like sharing the road with cyclists when there is a cycle lane or path alongside?

I think that if facilities have been arranged then most would expect them to be used, where possible. Of course some are obviously badly implemented.
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Re: Highway Code Review for cyclists, pedestrians and horse riders

Postby ancient » Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:24 pm

Gareth wrote:
Carbon Based wrote:This may be related to my perception that the membership really don't like to share the road

Do cyclists like to share footpaths with those on foot when it's marked for cyclists? Do motorists like to share the road with those on foot when there is a footpath alongside? Is it reasonable to expect motorists to like sharing the road with cyclists when there is a cycle lane or path alongside?

I think that if facilities have been arranged then most would expect them to be used, where possible. Of course some are obviously badly implemented.

And many appear to be implemented to take cyclists in a direction not of their choosing. Any cycle path that I don't >know< is going where I want to go is treated with suspicion and usually avoided, as it will probably take me down a path away from my destination; make a 90 degree turn onto the pavement or simply run out right where conflict starts with motor vehicles, leaving me in the wrong position to safely merge with faster traffic.

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Re: Highway Code Review for cyclists, pedestrians and horse riders

Postby Carbon Based » Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:46 pm

Gareth wrote:Of course some are obviously badly implemented.


Several cycle lanes around here are very narrow, even on major routes. This includes the most recently created lanes that include bollards.

I haven't stopped to measure, but I'd guess at between 1m to 1.2m from kerb to inside edge of white paint. Passing motorists will use the paint as their guide so you actually end up being passed closer than if there was no lane at all.

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Re: Highway Code Review for cyclists, pedestrians and horse riders

Postby exportmanuk » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:07 pm

I always found cycle lanes as a cyclist difficult driver expect you to stay within the lane often the lanes end just before the apex of a left hand bend etc. Cycle lanes bound with armadillos were even worse as you were effectively confined to the lane so could not easily pass slower cyclists.
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Re: Highway Code Review for cyclists, pedestrians and horse riders

Postby crr003 » Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:54 pm

Imagine you're driving the red car. Does the revised Highway Code tell you to stop and let this person with the Homebase bag to cross?

https://goo.gl/maps/oXwUa4xGbbLnx9Fn7

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Re: Highway Code Review for cyclists, pedestrians and horse riders

Postby Horse » Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:58 pm

crr003 wrote:Imagine you're driving the red car. Does the revised Highway Code tell you to stop and let this person with the Homebase bag to cross?

https://goo.gl/maps/oXwUa4xGbbLnx9Fn7


On the rospa fb page:


https://m.facebook.com/groups/RoADAR/pe ... 3A6%7D%7D&
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Re: Highway Code Review for cyclists, pedestrians and horse riders

Postby jont- » Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:45 pm

Horse wrote:
crr003 wrote:Imagine you're driving the red car. Does the revised Highway Code tell you to stop and let this person with the Homebase bag to cross?

https://goo.gl/maps/oXwUa4xGbbLnx9Fn7


On the rospa fb page:


https://m.facebook.com/groups/RoADAR/pe ... 3A6%7D%7D&

It's a junction on the entrance. Is it a junction on the exit? There's no give way. What about if it's signal controlled junction rather than a roundabout?

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Re: Highway Code Review for cyclists, pedestrians and horse riders

Postby crr003 » Wed Feb 16, 2022 5:59 pm

Horse wrote:
crr003 wrote:Imagine you're driving the red car. Does the revised Highway Code tell you to stop and let this person with the Homebase bag to cross?

https://goo.gl/maps/oXwUa4xGbbLnx9Fn7


On the rospa fb page:


https://m.facebook.com/groups/RoADAR/pe ... 3A6%7D%7D&


Sure - they've nailed the correct answer down! Or not..........

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Re: Highway Code Review for cyclists, pedestrians and horse riders

Postby Horse » Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:28 pm

jont- wrote:
Horse wrote:
crr003 wrote:Imagine you're driving the red car. Does the revised Highway Code tell you to stop and let this person with the Homebase bag to cross?

https://goo.gl/maps/oXwUa4xGbbLnx9Fn7


On the rospa fb page:


https://m.facebook.com/groups/RoADAR

It's a junction on the entrance. Is it a junction on the exit?


It's effectively turning left off a one-way system, isn't it? Would you give way then? Or any left turn major to minor?
Your 'standard' is how you drive alone, not how you drive during a test.

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Re: Highway Code Review for cyclists, pedestrians and horse riders

Postby crr003 » Wed Feb 16, 2022 7:32 pm

Horse wrote:
jont- wrote:
Horse wrote:
crr003 wrote:Imagine you're driving the red car. Does the revised Highway Code tell you to stop and let this person with the Homebase bag to cross?

https://goo.gl/maps/oXwUa4xGbbLnx9Fn7


On the rospa fb page:


https://m.facebook.com/groups/RoADAR

It's a junction on the entrance. Is it a junction on the exit?


It's effectively turning left off a one-way system, isn't it? Would you give way then? Or any left turn major to minor?


Here's an idea. Let's look at the Highway Code.

Picking the bits I like:

Road junctions
Rule 170

Take extra care at junctions. You should
• ….
• give way to pedestrians crossing or waiting to cross a road into which or from which you are turning. If they have started to cross they have priority, so give way (see Rule H2)
• ….


Roundabouts
Rule 187

In all cases watch out for and give plenty of room to
• pedestrians who may be crossing the approach and exit roads
• …


It's not the same advice.
Yes, people label roundabouts as junctions but are they really? The HC seems to differentiate. A DVSA spokesperson thinks they are and has for some reason stated:

"Peter (DVSA) posted on 15 February 2022

The rule change to give pedestrians priority to waiting to cross the road applies at junctions (including roundabouts) and when crossing side roads."


But that's not what 187 says. Maybe someone got it wrong and there'll be a reprint.


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