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Re: Discuss 'benefits'

Postby Strangely Brown » Mon Aug 26, 2024 7:19 pm

Horse wrote:However, there can be a level of arrogance that comes with achieving a certain level of training (not just 'advanced').

e.g.
"I am an advanced driver, and I had right of way"
Letter in IAM magazine, about an incident at a roundabout.


Hmmm. Feels like you are reading what you want to read rather than what is actually written.

He said, "and I had the right of way" not "therefore I had right of way" - I'll leave arguments about "right of way" vs "priority" out of it.

As written there are two separate statements, indeed separated by a comma. [He] is an advanced driver, and [he] had right of way.

Personally I think it's a pretty cheesy and self-important thing to say anyway but it doesn't say what you seem to think.

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Re: Discuss 'benefits'

Postby Horse » Tue Aug 27, 2024 7:33 am

Strangely Brown wrote:
Horse wrote:"I am an advanced driver, and I had right of way"
Letter in IAM magazine, about an incident at a roundabout.


Hmmm. Feels like you are reading what you want to read rather than what is actually written.

He said, "and I had the right of way" not "therefore I had right of way" - I'll leave arguments about "right of way" vs "priority" out of it.

As written there are two separate statements, indeed separated by a comma. [He] is an advanced driver, and [he] had right of way.

Personally I think it's a pretty cheesy and self-important thing to say anyway but it doesn't say what you seem to think.


If you're reading directly from the letter in the magazine, fair enough. This particular issue was published when it was A5 format. I was a member from mid-1980s to about 1999.

My memory is of those two phrases being used. Then thinking that his advanced skills should have been used to prevent the incident occurring, rather than justify his own actions.


There were other things in the magazines that caused me to wonder about the members. Again, from memory:

- Asking about colours of marker studs on motorways (not querying why they were particular colours, but asking what were the colours used). IIRC, Ted Clements' column had this, someone had written to him or head office to ask! He answered it, but didn't suggest looking in the Highway Code.

- After an article on car theft, a complaint that four 'commonly-used' tools were illustrated - as if thieves wouldn't know, but would be learning from the magazine! [Tools shown included a corkscrew, wire coat hanger and a 'slim Jim's]
Your 'standard' is how you drive alone, not how you drive during a test.

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Re: Discuss 'benefits'

Postby crr003 » Tue Aug 27, 2024 1:17 pm

Horse wrote:.....
There were other things in the magazines that caused me to wonder about the members. Again, from memory:

- Asking about colours of marker studs on motorways (not querying why they were particular colours, but asking what were the colours used). IIRC, Ted Clements' column had this, someone had written to him or head office to ask! He answered it, but didn't suggest looking in the Highway Code.

- After an article on car theft, a complaint that four 'commonly-used' tools were illustrated - as if thieves wouldn't know, but would be learning from the magazine! [Tools shown included a corkscrew, wire coat hanger and a 'slim Jim's]

The only benefit of membership (apart from Observing) was reading the "disgusted of Tunbridge Wells" letters complaining about stuff or asking odd questions.
It's a shame there wasn't a forum where keen members could offer helpful (if somewhat pedantic) advice on how to be a better driver/rider.
Oh, I forgot - there was; until the management decided to kill it.

Anyway, according to old RoADAR members, there is a blue marker stud, and if you don't mention it, you're not a real advanced driver/rider!

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Re: Discuss 'benefits'

Postby Strangely Brown » Tue Aug 27, 2024 7:08 pm

On the subject of "benefits of membership":

I had my RoADAR refresher a couple of months ago and I decided afterwards that it was going to be the last one. I have cancelled the £40 membership DD and, I think, I am now done with them.

Why? I wasn't getting anything out of it. I pay £120 over three years to get a 90 minute drive with an examiner that I happen not to particularly like or enjoy spending time in the car with [*]. The Care on The Road magazine a few times a year has been going straight in the recycling for ages and there are, for me, no real benefits. I would rather spend the money on petrol driving with other people with whom I have more of an affinity.

[*] Yes, there was feedback from the examiner but I disagreed with it as pointlessly picky. The drive, like the last time I had this examiner, was simply not "enjoyable" and the value was questionable at best.

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Re: Discuss 'benefits'

Postby Trebor » Wed Aug 28, 2024 12:55 pm

Strangely Brown wrote:On the subject of "benefits of membership":

I had my RoADAR refresher a couple of months ago and I decided afterwards that it was going to be the last one. I have cancelled the £40 membership DD and, I think, I am now done with them.

Why? I wasn't getting anything out of it. I pay £120 over three years to get a 90 minute drive with an examiner that I happen not to particularly like or enjoy spending time in the car with [*]. The Care on The Road magazine a few times a year has been going straight in the recycling for ages and there are, for me, no real benefits. I would rather spend the money on petrol driving with other people with whom I have more of an affinity.

[*] Yes, there was feedback from the examiner but I disagreed with it as pointlessly picky. The drive, like the last time I had this examiner, was simply not "enjoyable" and the value was questionable at best.


I dropped my RoADAR (motorcycle) membership (along with my Advanced Tutor position) last year for pretty much the same reasons.
I'll hang on to my IAM membership for now, especially whilst Observing.


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