Gov.uk Consultation on driverless cars

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Gov.uk Consultation on driverless cars

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Re: Gov.uk Consultation on driverless cars

Postby akirk » Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:45 am

the actual consultation document is here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultat ... -in-the-uk

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Re: Gov.uk Consultation on driverless cars

Postby akirk » Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:09 am

seems a bit behind the times - cars can already self-park (many with driver in the car) new 7 series BMW from the fob... and in the case of the Tesla can do automated driving e.g. on a motorway - yet these are the two primary things they believe are coming in 2-4 years...

the big issue is the car with no ability for a driver to retake control - that is autonomous driving and that is seen as future and not for this consultation...

anyway, have emailed the consultation for all it is worth - asking how they plan to deal with the unexpected (e.g. BMW 7 series self-parking - does it spot the ice cream van on the other side of the road and the school beside it and allow for children running behind?) - how they plan to reduce their over-optimism (they believe apparently that platooned lorries where control is handed to the front driver will all have drivers sitting there alert and waiting to retake control in the event of an issue - really?! :) I suspect some will be kipping behind the wheel / on the bunk! And how they plan to allow for other drivers who are seldom rational and often unpredictable... Also at what point they accept casualties as a statistical acceptance...

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Re: Gov.uk Consultation on driverless cars

Postby sussex2 » Tue Sep 06, 2016 1:08 pm

I honestly think the government should have more pressing issues just at the moment ;)

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Re: Gov.uk Consultation on driverless cars

Postby fungus » Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:38 pm

sussex2 wrote:I honestly think the government should have more pressing issues just at the moment ;)


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Re: Gov.uk Consultation on driverless cars

Postby akirk » Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:23 pm

it is possible that the government is big enough to have people looking at more than one issue :)
and there is possibly an argument that pursuing this pulls manufacture spend into the country = good thing if people are worried about Brexit affecting the economy...

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Re: Gov.uk Consultation on driverless cars

Postby sussex2 » Wed Sep 07, 2016 5:38 am

It is something to be considered though and the legal implications over who is in control etc; are going to take some working out. I can't help thinking we'll be hearing the sound of running feet from the corridors of power when it comes to the issue of responsibility :)

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Re: Gov.uk Consultation on driverless cars

Postby akirk » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:35 am

I think that has already been decided - car manufacturers...
and that is probably right - it is the car making the choices and the manufacturers making the profits - so seems logical

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Re: Gov.uk Consultation on driverless cars

Postby ancient » Thu Sep 08, 2016 2:46 pm

akirk wrote:seems a bit behind the times - cars can already self-park (many with driver in the car) new 7 series BMW from the fob... and in the case of the Tesla can do automated driving e.g. on a motorway - yet these are the two primary things they believe are coming in 2-4 years...

the big issue is the car with no ability for a driver to retake control - that is autonomous driving and that is seen as future and not for this consultation...

anyway, have emailed the consultation for all it is worth - asking how they plan to deal with the unexpected (e.g. BMW 7 series self-parking - does it spot the ice cream van on the other side of the road and the school beside it and allow for children running behind?) - how they plan to reduce their over-optimism (they believe apparently that platooned lorries where control is handed to the front driver will all have drivers sitting there alert and waiting to retake control in the event of an issue - really?! :) I suspect some will be kipping behind the wheel / on the bunk! And how they plan to allow for other drivers who are seldom rational and often unpredictable... Also at what point they accept casualties as a statistical acceptance...

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As a matter of fact, technology is being developed* to handle that,https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23130902-700-smart-wristband-tracks-vital-signs-to-keep-truckers-moving/ I wonder whether the review is aware of it though.

*Pretty much standard fitness monitor AFAIK, so re-purposed might be a better description.

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Re: Gov.uk Consultation on driverless cars

Postby ancient » Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:48 pm

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2109787-tesla-shows-off-fully-autonomous-car-in-new-video-demonstration/
Not many surprises for it to cope with: They didn't show any (presumably recently developed) ability to discern a truck pulling out ahead, from an overhead gantry! Nor how it would cope with 'misbehaviour' of other road users at speed.
I'm sure it is 'dry steering' at the end though! No mechanical sympathy for itself?


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