Mr Cholmondeley-Warner wrote:TheInsanity1234 wrote:Anyway, I just wanted to have the last word, this post is not intended to be opening the matter up for further debate.
FTFY
I think I worded it better
Mr Cholmondeley-Warner wrote:TheInsanity1234 wrote:Anyway, I just wanted to have the last word, this post is not intended to be opening the matter up for further debate.
FTFY
TripleS wrote::P Well now, as a change from the difficult subject matter with which we sometimes have to contend here, how about a little diversion?
OK, so I drilled some holes in the wall, then got cracking with the scutch comb chisel (absolutely splendid tool that) and eventually created a recess (without loosening the bricks and having the wall fall down) in which I could fit a 35 mm deep galvanised steel back box for a new 13 amp twin socket.
Now then, this forms part of a ring circuit so we have two cables (both 2.5 mm twin and earth) entering the box, so 6 wires in total. Obviously I bung the two live wires into the L terminal on the front plate, and the two neutral wires go into the N terminal on the front plate. So far so good.
Therefore I'm left with two uninsulated earth wires (one from the cable coming from the left, and one from the cable going off to the right - the next socket in the ring etc. What I've done so far is to connect the LH earth wire to the earth terminal in the back box, and the RH earth wire to the earth terminal on the back of the front plate, both of these wires having received a bit of green and yellow earth sleeving, which is wot they should 'ave.
Now this seems quite safe and decent to me, but something I've read suggests that the earth terminal on the back box should be directly connected to the earth terminal on the back of the front plate, presumably in addition to the connections I've already made, but I can't see that this would add anything useful in terms of safe earthing arrangements.
Sooo, while it might be difficult to get expert advice here on matters appertaining to driving it did occur to me that somebody might know a thing or two about domestic wiring systems etc. 'Twas just a thought.... I mean, you wouldn't want poor old Dave to be getting a nasty dose of 240V up his sleeve would you!
WhoseGeneration wrote:Alasdair, you might need to consider adding some conditions to the posting terms.
Forums I'm on where safety critical stuff is discussed, will require that a poster is qualified to post. Electrical installations are one such example.
With regard to TripleS's problem, I could comment but I'm not officially qualified so can't.
Plus, Mr C-W is describing but one, rarely used these days, system of earthing, so, from afar, it's best not to comment and TripleS would be best to consult an electrician.
TheInsanity1234 wrote:Mr Cholmondeley-Warner wrote:TheInsanity1234 wrote:Anyway, I just wanted to have the last word, this post is not intended to be opening the matter up for further debate.
FTFY
I think I worded it better
akirk wrote:Tolerance and or respect doesn't mean agreement - and tolerance and respect is two-way, and there is a difference between respecting a person and their views...
Mr Cholmondeley-Warner wrote:You could have done it by now, but if you want to keep looking for reasons to talk yourself out of it, I won't stop you
TheInsanity1234 wrote:All I wanted was to point out that in the modern day, jokes like that were brushing on the border of offensiveness. The problem really is that everybody would react differently to that kind of joke.
I have a few transgender friends, and a couple would've just found it amusing, but the others would've been a bit offended by it, so all I wanted to do was just make it clear that you now have to be careful.
Playtent wrote:TripleS wrote::P Well now, as a change from the difficult subject matter with which we sometimes have to contend here, how about a little diversion?
OK, so I drilled some holes in the wall, then got cracking with the scutch comb chisel (absolutely splendid tool that) and eventually created a recess (without loosening the bricks and having the wall fall down) in which I could fit a 35 mm deep galvanised steel back box for a new 13 amp twin socket.
Now then, this forms part of a ring circuit so we have two cables (both 2.5 mm twin and earth) entering the box, so 6 wires in total. Obviously I bung the two live wires into the L terminal on the front plate, and the two neutral wires go into the N terminal on the front plate. So far so good.
Therefore I'm left with two uninsulated earth wires (one from the cable coming from the left, and one from the cable going off to the right - the next socket in the ring etc. What I've done so far is to connect the LH earth wire to the earth terminal in the back box, and the RH earth wire to the earth terminal on the back of the front plate, both of these wires having received a bit of green and yellow earth sleeving, which is wot they should 'ave.
Now this seems quite safe and decent to me, but something I've read suggests that the earth terminal on the back box should be directly connected to the earth terminal on the back of the front plate, presumably in addition to the connections I've already made, but I can't see that this would add anything useful in terms of safe earthing arrangements.
Sooo, while it might be difficult to get expert advice here on matters appertaining to driving it did occur to me that somebody might know a thing or two about domestic wiring systems etc. 'Twas just a thought.... I mean, you wouldn't want poor old Dave to be getting a nasty dose of 240V up his sleeve would you!
You join both earth wires into the back box and cut a short piece of earth wire and sleeve it, connect it into the back box where the two earth wires are clamped and put the other end onto the earth clamp on the faceplate. Although the screws connect through to the back box and earth across the faceplate it is best to use a link wire in addition.
TripleS wrote:
Thank you, Paul. That's a nice clear explanation of a safe and sensible way to proceed.
Thanks to yourself and Nick I think I'm now less likely to expire with a little flash and puff of smoke! (Cue a chorus of groans from the assembled masses.)
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