20 MPH limits

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Re: 20 MPH limits

Postby Silk » Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:35 am

sussex2 wrote:The entire transport planning system in the UK seems embedded in the 1970s.

I don't remember all the inappropriate speed limits, ridiculous road markings and obstructions in the 1970s.

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Re: 20 MPH limits

Postby ancient » Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:24 pm

sussex2 wrote:
Horse wrote:
sussex2 wrote:The entire transport planning system in the UK seems embedded in the 1970s; it is certainly true that 'cars go first' is as much a norm today as it was 50 years ago.

Perhaps up for [consideration of] change?
The 'two stage turn':
https://trl.co.uk/media/399636/ppr717_l ... ctions.pdf

This has been in place for a few years:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/St+ ... 9983?hl=en
Sadly, it mainly seems to serve as a confusion for drivers as to whether circulating cyclists have priority.

Both hideously complicated; unless you are in the business of selling paint :)

Yep. Both p:ss poor implementations picking individual parts of a misunderstood standard without realising it cannot be cherry picked. With predictable results :evil: . Just like the misimplementation of 20 limits really.

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Re: 20 MPH limits

Postby TheInsanity1234 » Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:20 am

ChristianAB wrote:
sussex2 wrote:These limits are here to stay and as I mentioned before are in wide use across the EU and elsewhere.
However there is a difference in the UK in that the reduced limit has not been coupled with increased priority for pedestrians.
In other countries the various Highway Codes have been adapted to include this measure; many of them more than a decade ago so there has been plenty of time to adapt.
In the UK we have not done this so a confusion remains as to who is supposed to do what.

I thought the UK had a higher standard of driving than many of those EU countries?

To say that it's been used elsewhere for a long time does not make it right. That this increases safety is debatable.
But essentially, the issue is what happens when such limits are used where they are not warranted?
In France for instance, the default behaviour is to ignore the 30 km/h limits unless there is a camera nearby. In fact, my french friends often joke that the way to spot a British driver is to look for anyone who sticks very precisely to the speed limit.

Maybe you are right, we are yet to fully catch up to the european style of widespread disregard for speed limits.

Liverpool must be one of the most European cities in the UK then. Literally nobody around here pays any attention to the speed limits except when there's the police nearby, or there's a speed camera. The general rule of how fast traffic is going on a particular road is to look at the speed limit, then add 10mph to it, and that's the general traffic speed :lol:

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