Shocking driving? Not all the time

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Re: Shocking driving? Not all the time

Postby jont- » Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:29 pm

Ah, so the problem is really that the BMW is underpowered for the move he wanted to get away with. A few more horses and he'd have cleared with a bigger gap :racing:

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Re: Shocking driving? Not all the time

Postby akirk » Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:48 pm

jont- wrote:Ah, so the problem is really that the BMW is underpowered for the move he wanted to get away with. A few more horses and he'd have cleared with a bigger gap :racing:


I love your thinking! :cheers:

of course, were the BMW driver to be prosecuted, I assume that the prosecution will show evidence of camera angles / compression of the space / etc. - it is allowable for one car to pass another - the fact that you can record it on your dashcam doesn't make it near / scary or dangerous!

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Re: Shocking driving? Not all the time

Postby angus » Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:50 pm

As hir suggests, the road is too new for detailed images on google earth, but looking at potential areas for this roundabout, they all seem to have an exit between where the BMW joins the roundabout and where it leaves.

Don't know if that makes a difference tho'

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Re: Shocking driving? Not all the time

Postby hir » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:22 pm

akirk wrote:
...of course, were the BMW driver to be prosecuted, I assume that the prosecution will show evidence of camera angles / compression of the space / etc. - it is allowable for one car to pass another - the fact that you can record it on your dashcam doesn't make it near / scary or dangerous!

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Exactly. Also, would the defence perhaps be able to establish that the driver of the "video car" accelerated as soon as he realised that the "hated, reckless, and envied BMW owner/driver" was about to get the jump on him!?!?

I rest my case. M'Lud.

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Re: Shocking driving? Not all the time

Postby Gareth » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:45 pm

I think it might be the junction with Salhouse Road, heading anti-clockwise.
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Re: Shocking driving? Not all the time

Postby waremark » Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:08 pm

hir wrote:Exactly. Also, would the defence perhaps be able to establish that the driver of the "video car" accelerated as soon as he realised that the "hated, reckless, and envied BMW owner/driver" was about to get the jump on him!?!?

I rest my case. M'Lud.

I hardly think so. All the images you shared show that they were at 25 seconds - so there is less than one second between the image showing the BMW clearly behind the camera car and in lane 3 to having it cut across the front of the camera car into the exit road. I hardly think that the driver of the camera car can be blamed for poor mirror work - if he checked his mirrors at 25 seconds on the film he saw nothing threatening, he would then have been focusing on the nearside view as well as the exit road in order to ensure there was no conflict with the vehicle in lane 1. I do think this is outrageous driving by the BMW - but I don't approve of the dash cam warrior approach to driver monitoring.

I am currently running a dash cam. I have only twice reviewed the footage after a few months of use, in both cases to check whether I had made mistakes (in the two cases concerned happily I had not). I did start using the device after a near accident caused by a third party, but my interest would have been to see whether I had been slow to react to the developing situation. I do worry about making a record of all my mistakes.

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Re: Shocking driving? Not all the time

Postby GTR1400MAN » Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:22 pm

I'm a bit late to this one but if anything this was all started by the little Honda Jazz. The BMW was entering into lane 2 of the RAB, but the jazz moved right into it rather than maintaining its nearside position. This forced the BMW into lane 3. Now really the BMW should have aborted and done a 360 round the RAB but tried to straightline it from there. A bit close/tight. Certainly not the camera cars fault, he appears to have moved left a bit to avoid contact.

With regard to the timing of the still frames, you can read nothing into this without watching the original raw footage. Especially as there is a cut from the rear camera to the front, making all timings from the BBC video null and void.
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Re: Shocking driving? Not all the time

Postby hir » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:23 pm

Quite rightly, the incident involving the van driver who drove through the red lights on the pedestrian crossing was followed up by the police. I'm just surprised he wasn't prosecuted for Driving Without Due Care and Attention or even Dangerous Driving :shock:

Extract from today's BBC website:

Near miss as van driver jumps red light in Norwich

A van driver who almost ploughed into a group of pedestrians after jumping a red light was issued a "notice of intended prosecution" by police.

The footage was released to the BBC as part of an investigation by Inside Out East, which documented a rise in drivers' dashcam videos being used in police probes.

Following the incident on St Crispins Road, Norwich, in July, police said the driver was offered a retraining course at a cost of £100, aimed at "education of the driver and change in driving behaviour".


Lucky pedestrians and lucky driver. The outcome could have been catastrophic.

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Re: Shocking driving? Not all the time

Postby jont- » Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:27 pm

hir wrote:Quite rightly, the incident involving the van driver who drove through the red lights on the pedestrian crossing was followed up by the police. I'm just surprised he wasn't prosecuted for Driving Without Due Care and Attention or even Dangerous Driving :shock:

Extract from today's BBC website:

Near miss as van driver jumps red light in Norwich

A van driver who almost ploughed into a group of pedestrians after jumping a red light was issued a "notice of intended prosecution" by police.

The footage was released to the BBC as part of an investigation by Inside Out East, which documented a rise in drivers' dashcam videos being used in police probes.

Following the incident on St Crispins Road, Norwich, in July, police said the driver was offered a retraining course at a cost of £100, aimed at "education of the driver and change in driving behaviour".


Lucky pedestrians and lucky driver. The outcome could have been catastrophic.


Nah, everyone knows the only dangerous offence is speeding :roll:

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Re: Shocking driving? Not all the time

Postby sussex2 » Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:23 am

jont- wrote:
sussex2 wrote:Dashcam footage! Moments in time and not the full story and not a way to do real policing.

No different in that sense to speed cameras :roll:


Indeed not.


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