Driving instructors and learners - do they drive like each other?

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Re: Driving instructors and learners - do they drive like each other?

Postby martine » Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:49 pm

GTR1400MAN wrote:...ABS is also mandatory on motorcycles.

Never knew that. Presumably it's only mandatory on bike of a certain cc or hp?
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Re: Driving instructors and learners - do they drive like each other?

Postby Gareth » Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:48 pm

GTR1400MAN wrote:
Gareth wrote:Just the same as if the car didn't have DSC or ABS, one hopes, else it's a short step to disallowing driving cars to be driven without them fitted.

They are mandatory now.

Not sure what you're saying here. Would you refuse to drive a car without an electronic stability control system?
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Re: Driving instructors and learners - do they drive like each other?

Postby Horse » Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:59 pm

martine wrote:
GTR1400MAN wrote:...ABS is also mandatory on motorcycles.

Never knew that. Presumably it's only mandatory on bike of a certain cc or hp?


"From 1/1/2016 all new-model bikes over 125cc will need ABS, while smaller bikes must have either ABS or a combined brake system."

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Re: Driving instructors and learners - do they drive like each other?

Postby jont- » Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:39 pm

GTR1400MAN wrote:
Gareth wrote:Just the same as if the car didn't have DSC or ABS, one hopes, else it's a short step to disallowing driving cars to be driven without them fitted.

They are mandatory now.

Not if you have low volume. For instance Caterhams still don't have any driver aids, even the new ones :gear:

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Re: Driving instructors and learners - do they drive like each other?

Postby Mr Cholmondeley-Warner » Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:52 pm

It's more fun with it off (never thought I'd hear myself saying that :D )
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Re: Driving instructors and learners - do they drive like each other?

Postby GTR1400MAN » Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:52 pm

Gareth wrote:
GTR1400MAN wrote:
Gareth wrote:Just the same as if the car didn't have DSC or ABS, one hopes, else it's a short step to disallowing driving cars to be driven without them fitted.

They are mandatory now.

Not sure what you're saying here. Would you refuse to drive a car without an electronic stability control system?

No, but I wouldn't turn it off (on the road) if it had it. Same with ABS.

My 2006 Civic had E/DSC. It was over sensitive and wore out rear pads, but it was never intrusive to the driving.

Unless a safety aid is intrusive why would anyone turn it off? By intrusive I mean something like the videos of cars refusing to go through small gaps on narrow streets with buses/lorries because of the slow speed emergency braking fitted.
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Re: Driving instructors and learners - do they drive like each other?

Postby waremark » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:42 am

Not being able to switch off rev matching in a manual car would stop me buying it.

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Re: Driving instructors and learners - do they drive like each other?

Postby Horse » Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:59 am

waremark wrote:Not being able to switch off rev matching in a manual car would stop me buying it.


Even though it might facilitate BGOL? :)
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Re: Driving instructors and learners - do they drive like each other?

Postby jont- » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:47 am

Mr Cholmondeley-Warner wrote:It's more fun with it off (never thought I'd hear myself saying that :D )

Next you'll be saying cars with less grip are more interesting... :twisted: :gear: :steering: :racing:

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Re: Driving instructors and learners - do they drive like each other?

Postby Gareth » Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:36 am

GTR1400MAN wrote:
Gareth wrote:Would you refuse to drive a car without an electronic stability control system?

No, but I wouldn't turn it off (on the road) if it had it. Same with ABS.

AFAIK it's generally not possible to disable ABS except by pulling a fuse. I don't have a car with stability control but have found some that do can be quite intrusive, although some other drivers have said they've not noticed it having an effect when they're driving. Two of our cars have traction control which can be disabled by a dashboard button; I sometimes do this to check that I'm driving the car rather than the electronics.
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