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crr003 wrote: So someone puts up a red ringed sign without a TTRO . . . What about the safety of the road workers?

Do you have any idea how road works signs get there?

"Yes, m'lud, the worker was struck and killed while placing a sign at the roadside. No, there was no legal basis for placing the sign."

Mr Cholmondeley-Warner wrote:

crr003 wrote:Sits and waits for the "well, if you were at the front of the queue at the till in Tesco/Asda/Waitrose and someone tried pushing in, you wouldn't allow that would you?" argument.

But there's a good analogy for that in the queues at, say, the self-service tills, where one queue forms, and then the first person in the queue goes to the next available till, or at large public events, where everybody knows that there will be a delay getting out, so they pick a queue and wait until it gets priority. Of course in the latter situation, there are always "queue hoppers", but they are generally in the minority.

Nope; not listening! Well, if she's fit I'd let her in.

You're not letting someone with a week's worth of shopping push in - you're all moving and seamlessly merging, in a world where petty jealousy ("I've got an "x", I'm not letting your "y" in) doesn't exist. You don't see ants having this problem.

Ants relative to their size can move a lot quicker than we can in our ruddy cars, with or without lanes. Darwin was right we came from apes, ants obviously come from a higher order..

I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords.

https://youtu.be/IuhgBvOWb_k

Over 40 years ago, the future was accurately documented in film.

Horse wrote:

crr003 wrote: So someone puts up a red ringed sign without a TTRO . . . What about the safety of the road workers?

Do you have any idea how road works signs get there?

"Yes, m'lud, the worker was struck and killed while placing a sign at the roadside. No, there was no legal basis for placing the sign."

Of course I do - some bloke runs across three lanes of live traffic carrying a bloody great sign/frame.

But if it's that important to get official approval, the book says:

D3.39.3 The design programme for such works should make provision for the time necessary to obtain the appropriate temporary traffic regulation orders. Where there is insufficient time to obtain temporary traffic regulation orders under normal procurement procedures, consideration should be given to obtaining a traffic order under emergency notice procedures (Section 14(2) of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984), or in collaboration with the police under their powers.

so no four week wait?

crr003 wrote:

Horse wrote:Do you have any idea how road works signs get there?

Of course I do - some bloke runs across three lanes of live traffic carrying a bloody great sign/frame.

He's only recently hung up his broom, you know ...

crr003 wrote:

Horse wrote:

crr003 wrote: So someone puts up a red ringed sign without a TTRO . . . What about the safety of the road workers?

Do you have any idea how road works signs get there?

"Yes, m'lud, the worker was struck and killed while placing a sign at the roadside. No, there was no legal basis for placing the sign."

Of course I do - some bloke runs across three lanes of live traffic carrying a bloody great sign/frame.

But if it's that important to get official approval, the book says:

D3.39.3 The design programme for such works should make provision for the time necessary to obtain the appropriate temporary traffic regulation orders. Where there is insufficient time to obtain temporary traffic regulation orders under normal procurement procedures, consideration should be given to obtaining a traffic order under emergency notice procedures (Section 14(2) of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984), or in collaboration with the police under their powers.

so no four week wait?

You might think so

But with somewhere in the region of 4,000 workers on the Highways England network, installing about 6,000 short-term closures each year, that isn't going to happen.

And FWIW, I've spent much of the last 7 years getting their working practices changed so they don't have to 'run' (they were supposed to walk!) across the carriageway.
https://trl.co.uk/news/prev/41695
A conservative estimate is that 3 million live carriageway crossings each year have been prevented.

I think I'd be inclined to (at least) trot ...

Mr Cholmondeley-Warner wrote:I think I'd be inclined to (at least) trot ...

I think it was three seconds to walk a lane; don't run in case you trip.....
Yeah right.......