chloejr31's survey.

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Re: chloejr31's survey.

Postby Gareth » Mon May 08, 2017 7:02 am

Adding to saccades and A-pillars is the thought that users on main roads don't often, (that is, aren't mentally prepared to), give horn warnings to users intending to emerge from side roads.
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Re: chloejr31's survey.

Postby fungus » Tue May 09, 2017 6:55 pm

Gareth wrote:Adding to saccades and A-pillars is the thought that users on main roads don't often, (that is, aren't mentally prepared to), give horn warnings to users intending to emerge from side roads.


Given that most British drivers use the horn as a rebuke and not as a warning, they are not mentally prepared to use it at an apprpriate moment, usually using it too late when its use becomes counter productive. :roll:

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Re: chloejr31's survey.

Postby Horse » Tue May 09, 2017 7:38 pm

... give horn warnings to users intending to emerge from side roads.


Unless you're urgently taking some other avoiding action as well, a horn warning is almost pointless.

Time it takes for you to react and toot
No idea whether the other driver will hear it
No idea whether they will realise what it means
No idea whether they will react, whether that will be appropriate, or sufficient
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Re: chloejr31's survey.

Postby GTR1400MAN » Tue May 09, 2017 11:24 pm

An earlier hoot if they are still rolling is always a good wake up call.
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Re: chloejr31's survey.

Postby Gareth » Wed May 10, 2017 7:06 am

An earlier toot if they are looking in the wrong direction is always a good wake up call.
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Re: chloejr31's survey.

Postby GTR1400MAN » Wed May 10, 2017 7:16 am

GTR1400MAN wrote:An earlier hoot if they are still rolling is always a good wake up call.


Gareth wrote:An earlier toot if they are looking in the wrong direction is always a good wake up call.

The two are often combined :)
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Re: chloejr31's survey.

Postby Horse » Wed May 10, 2017 2:55 pm

GTR1400MAN wrote:
GTR1400MAN wrote:An earlier hoot if they are still rolling is always a good wake up call.


Gareth wrote:An earlier toot if they are looking in the wrong direction is always a good wake up call.

The two are often combined :)


See list.

You toot, it's ignored. Unless you have taken additional action, you're several seconds closer and nothing else has changed.

Similarly, the Kent Police 'Riding Plans' video suggests (at a blind crest IIRC)"listening for an answering horn". How many people would even think of that?
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Re: chloejr31's survey.

Postby Gareth » Wed May 10, 2017 7:34 pm

Horse wrote:See list.

Naysay it, or try it. I did, and the results are why I put forward the suggestion.
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Re: chloejr31's survey.

Postby Horse » Thu May 11, 2017 8:59 am

Gareth wrote:
Horse wrote:See list.

Naysay it, or try it. I did, and the results are why I put forward the suggestion.


I didn't say it wouldn't work. Just that you can't rely on it achieving what you want.

FWIW I gave someone a headlamp flash this morning as they start to change lanes in front of me - but I didn't continue on at the same speed!
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Re: chloejr31's survey.

Postby Gareth » Thu May 11, 2017 9:48 am

Horse wrote:Unless you have taken additional action, you're several seconds closer and nothing else has changed.

I think this is the issue; a horn warning is short-range.
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