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titian wrote:Through a 90 degree right hander

Your memory is playing tricks on you; this bend is fairly gentle.

Germane to the discussion, though, is what speed you could reasonably expect a fast motorbike to be approaching.

Gareth, you are correct, the bend is less that 90 degrees then it swings to the left. A fast motorcycle towards at that point has already negotiated two or three bends with solid white lines, his speed and positioning ought to be appropriate, however we all know that isn't always the case and it's a matter of degree. WE ought to be prepared for the unexpected, always.

Stressed - they'll kick in later in the day perhaps, new medication on New Year's day, yuck

As an aside, following the road in the direction of travel, the Google mapping vehicle is often over on the "wrong" side of the road, do they have special dispensation to do that?

titian wrote:As an aside, following the road in the direction of travel, the Google mapping vehicle is often over on the "wrong" side of the road, do they have special dispensation to do that?

Really?




SD said that his medication was fine. I do wonder about yours though.

titian wrote:Gareth, you are correct, the bend is less that 90 degrees then it swings to the left. A fast motorcycle towards at that point has already negotiated two or three bends with solid white lines, his speed and positioning ought to be appropriate, however we all know that isn't always the case and it's a matter of degree. WE ought to be prepared for the unexpected, always.

Stressed - they'll kick in later in the day perhaps, new medication on New Year's day, yuck

The angle of the bend makes stuff-all difference if you can't see. What it does do is increase the speed of an oncoming vehicle. I'd be less concerned about a motorcycle as their ability to corner is somewhat less than a car (from the point of view of self-preservation rather than any defects in tyre grip) than someone like me who would undoubtedly be punching it out of the last of that sequence.

Read my original post - not new drugs, but existing drugs that, thanks to the addition of liquid local anaesthetic dropped up the nose actually have time to work.

titian wrote:As an aside, following the road in the direction of travel, the Google mapping vehicle is often over on the "wrong" side of the road, do they have special dispensation to do that?

There's someone who hasn't seen the Google car. They have 360 degree cameras to avoid the need to double mileage by driving up and down the same road to record views.

Look at that, me explaining something to the VI (tha's like OP but with slightly more insulting undertones) without using swearwords.

I'd not want to be passing a cyclist there - not even if the double white lines weren't there.

Adamxck wrote:Is there a google maps street view of this road, if you could spare a moment to find it? I'm just interested to see where the white lines start and end in relation to the corner.

Yes, it might be helpful to see that.

I see too many double white line applications that I disagree with, so I dislike the system. If the overtake is safely doable, quite frankly I would do it. That would of course put me outside the law, but I'm more interested in practical safety, and I doubt if I'm the only one here who works on that basis if the truth be known.

Incidentally,and this might be a very minor point, I think the cyclists would probably prefer to have us go past them safely, rather than have us sitting on their tails for a while.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

akirk wrote:It is not unknown for road markings to be inappropriate for the landscape - put in place due to political demands rather than common sense, so it is not impossible that there are times when you could make a choice which on paper is illegal, but is not reducing safety.
Alasdair

Exactly. You're talking my language.

Example:
At Pond Hill (A171 Whitby to Scarborough) there is a twisty section of road that, according to the DWL system, permitted overtaking if travelling towards Scarborough, but a few years ago the linework was changed to remove this option. Nothing to do with the road layout (or any practical issue affecting overtaking) has altered during the past 50 years, but whereas we used to be able to overtake there, now we can't.

titian wrote:Here's the link, draw back down the road to appreciate the approach speed & distance and the amount of clear road ahead - does that change the decision/options?

https://www.instantstreetview.com/@53.9 ... ,-5.41p,1z

Hmm, I'd need to see it for real, but at the moment I'm inclined to feel that, for me, an overtake there would not be on.

titian wrote:Stressed - they'll kick in later in the day perhaps, new medication on New Year's day, yuck

Huh, got my latest shot on New Year's Eve, so I'll blame my current bad mood on that - for another day or two - then I'll have to think of another excuse.

If the choices are:
1. drive through, passing cyclists on a bend by crossing a solid white, while hoping nobody is doing anything similar while coming toward me.
2. wait until the situation is as safe as reasonably possible before passing.....

My initial thought is that I would slow and wait until it is possible to pass the cyclists safely, regardless of there being solid whites or not. Of course, if it's obvious that it is possible to pass the cyclists from a safe following position, then I would only wait for as long as is necessary in order to establish enough certainty before doing so. I ain't called 'Cautious D' for nothing