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Re: Reg Local - IAM Masters
Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2022 8:48 am
by jcochrane
Horse wrote:Jonquirk wrote: ... a likely occurrence when driving on the road.
Although could doing (and trying to cling onto control during) an unintentional off-road excursion create the situation?
I think in those circumstances you may have more to worry about than a wrench on the thumbs. It may also be possible that the firmer grip on the wheel may help to keep some control and minimise the accident.(The argument for doing it when racing.)
Re: Reg Local - IAM Masters
Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:36 am
by Horse
jcochrane wrote:Horse wrote:Jonquirk wrote: ... a likely occurrence when driving on the road.
Although could doing (and trying to cling onto control during) an unintentional off-road excursion create the situation?
I think in those circumstances you may have more to worry about than a wrench on the thumbs. It may also be possible that the firmer grip on the wheel may help to keep some control and minimise the accident.(The argument for doing it when racing.)
There are times when letting go of the wheel is the best option.
^ That's advice from a ex-colleague who did a lot of research on airbags.
Re: Reg Local - IAM Masters
Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2022 11:32 am
by Horse
jcochrane wrote:I think in those circumstances you may have more to worry about
I knew someone who bought a Porsche when airbags were rare.
He said that the manual advised: "If the airbag deploys it will make a loud noise. However, there will be other loud noises to distract you."
Re: Reg Local - IAM Masters
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:22 am
by jcochrane
Horse wrote:
There are times when letting go of the wheel is the best option.
^ That's advice from a ex-colleague who did a lot of research on airbags.
Definitely. Once passed the point of recovery and keep the brake on.
This is the instruction given when driving a Nascar on an American Speedway.
Re: Reg Local - IAM Masters
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2022 4:36 pm
by Horse
jcochrane wrote:Horse wrote:
There are times when letting go of the wheel is the best option.
^ That's advice from a ex-colleague who did a lot of research on airbags.
Definitely. Once passed the point of recovery and keep the brake on.
This is the instruction given when driving a Nascar on an American Speedway.
His advice was based on imminent collision and adverse effects on forearms.
Re: Reg Local - IAM Masters
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:13 pm
by GTR1400MAN
Yet every car I've driven in the last 20 years have had indents on the top of the spokes to locate you thumbs.
Re: Reg Local - IAM Masters
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:06 pm
by crr003
Horse wrote:...
OK, here's another:
Limit point. Furthest bit of clear, visible, road surface so the longest braking distance available.
Isn't it actually 'see is clear and expect to remain so'? At least, that's how I thought the explanation went (and taught it).
However, in the first video and (I think) an earlier one, he leaves of that qualifier.
My take on his would be that the kind of person contemplating going for Masters knows this book reading definition malarkey forwards and backwards - the full explanation will be implied and understood by the target audience.
Re: Reg Local - IAM Masters
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:59 pm
by Horse
crr003 wrote:Horse wrote:...
OK, here's another:
Limit point. Furthest bit of clear, visible, road surface so the longest braking distance available.
Isn't it actually 'see is clear and expect to remain so'? At least, that's how I thought the explanation went (and taught it).
However, in the first video and (I think) an earlier one, he leaves off that qualifier.
My take on his would be that the kind of person contemplating going for Masters knows this book reading definition malarkey forwards and backwards - the full explanation will be implied and understood by the target audience.
Yes, I'd agree. But he felt it necessary to cover the first two elements. And I'm fairly sure I've heard him [not] say the same thing before.
Edit: thinking on this, that qualifier could make a substantial difference to stopping distance and so speed. So hardly a trivial thing to omit.
Re: Reg Local - IAM Masters
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 12:27 am
by GTR1400MAN
Horse wrote:OK, here's another:
Limit point. Furthest bit of clear, visible, road surface so the longest braking distance available.
Isn't it actually 'see is clear and expect to remain so'? At least, that's how I thought the explanation went (and taught it).
However, in the first video and (I think) an earlier one, he leaves of that qualifier.
What qualifier? I can't see it in my copy.
The only sources of this I can find online are a Survival Skills/Kevin Williams article and an archived discussion on the old forum that those words don't actually exist.
Re: Reg Local - IAM Masters
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 4:50 am
by Jonquirk
I wonder if that’s something that Chris Gilbert might have said on one of his DVDs. I don’t have time to rewatch them to confirm that.