Intelligent Speed Assistance - coming soon?

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Intelligent Speed Assistance - coming soon?

Postby martine » Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:00 am

The EU proposal is to make this mandatory on new cars from 2021:

https://etsc.eu/briefing-intelligent-speed-assistance-isa/

...not sure if this will affect the UK post Brexit...or even if the proposal will be ratified in time for 2021.

Seems like a good reason to stick with older cars to me...
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Re: Intelligent Speed Assistance - coming soon?

Postby GTR1400MAN » Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:10 am

So we can 'look forward' car drivers now driving on the limiter everywhere, the same as lorries, in the mis-guided belief they are safe. :evil: :headbang:
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Re: Intelligent Speed Assistance - coming soon?

Postby Gareth » Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:13 am

Leaving the European Union probably won't make any difference as it's likely to be mandated in the context of UNECE regulations.
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Re: Intelligent Speed Assistance - coming soon?

Postby jont- » Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:03 pm

GTR1400MAN wrote:So we can 'look forward' car drivers now driving on the limiter everywhere, the same as lorries, in the mis-guided belief they are safe. :evil: :headbang:

If its using GPS for the cars speed, at least it should stop the lorry racing scenario since all cars should have a more consistent view of GPS speed than the current variance you get with limiters based on the cars own speedo.

Will be interesting to see how business models for updating maps etc work and how long before someone sues a manufacturer for a speeding ticket where map updates have lagged LA changes (or where you can game things by graffitiing signs :lol:)

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Re: Intelligent Speed Assistance - coming soon?

Postby dvenman » Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:14 pm

It says on the diagram "Driver can override the system by pushing harder on the accelerator"...

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Re: Intelligent Speed Assistance - coming soon?

Postby jont- » Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:16 pm

dvenman wrote:It says on the diagram "Driver can override the system by pushing harder on the accelerator"...

Read the circumstances in which this is allowed further down... :bash:

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Re: Intelligent Speed Assistance - coming soon?

Postby akirk » Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:23 pm

jont- wrote:
dvenman wrote:It says on the diagram "Driver can override the system by pushing harder on the accelerator"...

Read the circumstances in which this is allowed further down... :bash:


mmm

Can the system be overridden?

Yes. ETSC recommends fitting ISA systems that can be overridden temporarily.

Example: a driver is carrying out an overtaking manoevre to pass a lorry on a motorway at the same time as a decrease in the speed limit is encountered. In this case, the driver could temporarily override the lower speed limit and complete the manoeuvre at a higher speed by depressing the accelerator down hard to signal to the system that the limiter should be temporarily disabled. If the driver continues to drive above the speed limit for several seconds, the system should display and sound a warning. Once the vehicle is operating at or below the speed limit again, the override state should be cancelled and normal functionality should resume.


So, it is acceptable to over-ride the system to break the law as a result of bad driving (not looking far enough ahead to see the change in speed limit sign)

So, is the EU therefore saying that it is okay to break the speed limit because of lack of awareness...

Officer - I was overtaking a lorry and didn't see the 30 mph signs at the edge of the village -but the EU has said that it is okay to do this...

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Re: Intelligent Speed Assistance - coming soon?

Postby dvenman » Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:25 pm

jont- wrote:
dvenman wrote:It says on the diagram "Driver can override the system by pushing harder on the accelerator"...

Read the circumstances in which this is allowed further down... :bash:


"Allowed"...not prevented.

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Re: Intelligent Speed Assistance - coming soon?

Postby ancient » Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:36 pm

It also says "A study for the European Commission found the other main positive impacts include: encouraging walking and cycling due to increased perceived safety of cars vis-à-vis vulnerable road users": So driving 'on the limiter' at NSL past cyclists and pedestrians on country roads without a footpath will increase their perceived safety? Driving at 30 or 40 "because that isn't speeding" past house and shop entrances with narrow or no pavements is safe? It's OK to drive down Regent Street at 30mph and straight into the cyclist you didn't see, because you were not over the speed limit? (Oh scrub that last one, we know that's acceptable nowadays anyway).
So actually, this is just putting the machine in control of what are already common attitudes on the road.

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Re: Intelligent Speed Assistance - coming soon?

Postby sussex2 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:17 am

In Spain in certain conditions and on certain roads you are allowed to exceed speed limits by 20kph if overtaking.


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