Have diesel cars got a future?

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Re: Have diesel cars got a future?

Postby Horse » Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:17 pm

Road pricing . . . ?

GPS linked, by class of road / route, time of day, etc.
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Re: Have diesel cars got a future?

Postby TR4ffic » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:59 am

Horse wrote:Road pricing . . . ?
GPS linked, by class of road / route, time of day, etc.


That would seem to be the logical conclusion. It has been proposed previous but I think we're getting to the point where technology can now make it possible. The argument fore was that you obviously only pay for what you use - It then all depends on the tariff(s) set? The downside is that we'd all need some form of 'Black Box' fitted - Big Brother..!

There was also discussions around scrapping Road Tax and putting the duty on the fuel at the pump. Similar result in that you pay for what you use with the added benefit/snag being that the more inefficient your vehicle, the more fuel you use, the more duty you pay... and it can't dodged like Road Tax. This obviously wouldn't work for all electric vehicles but could potentially be OK in the medium term.

I do keep a keen eye on the electric car market; there is a lot in the pipeline from more mainstream and European manufacturers over the next 18-24 months and, with competition, we'll see falling prices. Having driven a Tesla Model S and watched the progress of the Model 3 with interest, I'd happily move to electric (not necessarily a Tesla) and then a 'pay for what you use' form of Road Tax would seem better than some arbitrary sum that you have to pay upfront regardless of when and how often you use the car

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Re: Have diesel cars got a future?

Postby angus » Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:04 pm

TR4ffic wrote: This obviously wouldn't work for all electric vehicles but could potentially be OK in the medium term.


But electric only vehicles don't pay road tax and nor did most hybrids

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Re: Have diesel cars got a future?

Postby Horse » Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:37 pm

TR4ffic wrote: The argument fore was that you obviously only pay for what you use - It then all depends on the tariff(s) set? The downside is that we'd all need some form of 'Black Box' fitted - Big Brother..!


Many vehicles now fitted as standard with e-call type systems, so presumably already have GPS installed.

https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-mar ... april-2018
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Re: Have diesel cars got a future?

Postby crr003 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:28 pm

Horse wrote:
TR4ffic wrote: The argument fore was that you obviously only pay for what you use - It then all depends on the tariff(s) set? The downside is that we'd all need some form of 'Black Box' fitted - Big Brother..!


Many vehicles now fitted as standard with e-call type systems, so presumably already have GPS installed.

https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-mar ... april-2018


Europe wrote:The data included in the MSD are those strictly needed by the emergency services to handle the emergency situation, and may include the triggering mode (automatic or manual), the vehicle identification number, vehicle type and propulsion, timestamp, vehicle direction, current and previous positions, and number of passengers.


Could be an interesting conversation with the partner - "who was in the car with you........you said you were going to a meeting.........alone.......?"

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Re: Have diesel cars got a future?

Postby akirk » Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:17 pm

crr003 wrote:
Horse wrote:
TR4ffic wrote: The argument fore was that you obviously only pay for what you use - It then all depends on the tariff(s) set? The downside is that we'd all need some form of 'Black Box' fitted - Big Brother..!


Many vehicles now fitted as standard with e-call type systems, so presumably already have GPS installed.

https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-mar ... april-2018


Europe wrote:The data included in the MSD are those strictly needed by the emergency services to handle the emergency situation, and may include the triggering mode (automatic or manual), the vehicle identification number, vehicle type and propulsion, timestamp, vehicle direction, current and previous positions, and number of passengers.


Could be an interesting conversation with the partner - "who was in the car with you........you said you were going to a meeting.........alone.......?"

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Re: Have diesel cars got a future?

Postby Horse » Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:40 pm

Diamonds are dense, but SWMBO isn't:)
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Re: Have diesel cars got a future?

Postby TR4ffic » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:21 pm

angus wrote:
TR4ffic wrote: This obviously wouldn't work for all electric vehicles but could potentially be OK in the medium term.


But electric only vehicles don't pay road tax and nor did most hybrids

At the moment, no... I was thinking further down the line as Road Tax diminishes from diesel/petrol fuel the Government will turn their attention to other (currently free) revenue streams i.e. electric and hybrid vehicles. We ain't going get away with it scott free..!

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Re: Have diesel cars got a future?

Postby vanman » Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:58 pm

Thanks all for your inputs. Ended up with a Hyundai i30 1.6 petrol with a camchain not a belt!!


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