Re: Riding a bicycle without brakes
Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:00 pm
I didn't say that they don't have responsibility. However, none of us know for certain from a quick glance, were going by best guess.
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akirk wrote:If society spent more time accepting that we have responsibilities and privileges - and not rights, then society as a whole would be less selfish and better!
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Horse wrote:I didn't say that they don't have responsibility. However, none of us know for certain from a quick glance, were going by best guess.
fungus wrote:To go down that line is going to criminalise many innocent motorists who have done nothing wrong, but just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Mr Cholmondeley-Warner wrote:
Isn't there a saying in AD that "nothing happens 'suddenly' "?
jcochrane wrote:Mr Cholmondeley-Warner wrote:
Isn't there a saying in AD that "nothing happens 'suddenly' "?
I think what you may have in mind comes from the "Roadcraft" video which is nearly always misquoted....it is not that nothing happens suddenly.
What is actually said is "Very few things happen suddenly." However good a driver you are you can still have an accident through no fault of your own. On introducing the System of Car Control it used to be said that if you drive to the System you will not have an accident of your own making.
Horse wrote:Rolyan wrote:They are of all ages and abilities.
If you mean that pedestrians shouldn't have to take all the responsibility, then you're correct.
But if you mean that pedestrians shouldn't take any responsibility for their own safety, then you are the one talking utter guff.
Keep in mind that some pedestrians simply can't do we what motorised road users take for granted.
For example, a few years ago Filly had major surgery on her neck. During recovery she couldn't safely cross the road, as it took so long to pivot from looking one way to the other.
Some pedestrians will have sensory limits, whether vision or hearing.
Children simply can't judge speed and distance: Primary school children cannot accurately judge the speed of vehicles travelling faster than 20mph, according to a study carried out by researchers at Royal Holloway, University of London.
The researchers measured the perceptual acuity of more than 100 children in primary schools, and calculated the speed of approach that they could reliably detect. The results suggest that while adult pedestrians can make accurate judgements for vehicles travelling up to 50mph, those of primary school age become unreliable once the approach speed goes above 20mph, if the car is five seconds away.
Professor John Wann, from the Department of Psychology at Royal Holloway, said: “This is not a matter of children not paying attention, but a problem related to low-level visual detection mechanisms, so even when children are paying very close attention they may fail to detect a fast approaching vehicle.”
The researchers are now looking at the potential for using virtual reality systems to make children more aware of the errors that may occur, but Professor Wann stresses that the simplest solution lies in traffic regulation.
Trouble is, simply by looking you can't tell what someone's abilities are . . .
GTR1400MAN wrote:Rolyan wrote:... but your comments remind me of the complete buffoon on the old IAM forum, who said that cyclists have zero responsibility in the event of a collision.
Wasn't he called
He did have some extreme views and anyone in/on something with an engine was to blame/responsible. Having said that the IAM (and others) have recently been touching on the idea of peds and cyclists not having responsibility and the use of an auto-responsibility law for motorised vehicles. A dangerous slippery slope in my opinion (and no that's not where I think we should send such advocates ).