xpc316e wrote: jont- wrote:
Horse wrote:Are obs, 2s rule and lane discipline not covered in L training?
What fraction of drivers do you think would pass an L test if they retook it today?
I feel that this frequently asked question misses the point entirely.
I feel this frequently-given answer misses the point
xpc316e wrote: Few experienced drivers would pass the DSA test without coaching, but that does not mean that they are poor drivers.
The point of my post is in relation to any real, perceived or claimed benefits from 'advanced' driving. Those given, which I quoted, are covered in learner-level training - so why would 'advanced' training in those aspects
achieve any long-lasting benefit?
xpc316e wrote: Good driving must ultimately be about how one manages risk, and those who are recently successful in the DSA test have a very poor crash record in the months following their tests. Learning is for the most part about learning to pass the test, not learning to drive. The two things are entirely separate and most people only go on to learn a small part of driving after passing their tests.
Really? If 2s rule, obs (HPT) and lane discipline are anything to go by, drivers go on to deteriorate after passing the test!
DId you this about the introduction of the Hazard Perception Test . . . Research has shown that hazard perception training and testing could account for an 11% reduction in collisions
?http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov. ... w-drivers/The video hazard perception test, which has been implemented in GB since 2002, was shown in the COHORT II study of learner and novice drivers to be associated with a fall in novice driver collisions. Since its implementation, the test is estimated to have prevented collisions valued at close to £1billion (using DfT monetary figures for lost economic output, human and medical costs associated with road casualties, and the police, insurance and damage costs associated with accidents).http://www.trl.co.uk/news-hub/trl-press ... d-for-trl/
xpc316e wrote: . . . but for most people the thing that opens their eyes to their lack of ability is sitting beside an excellent driver who gives them a commentary. You can even watch videos of commentary drives all day without getting a true impression of the thought processes and visual skills of the driver.
Is a commentary an 'advanced' technique? Nope. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=383
My own views. For better or worse :)