Glimmer of hope?

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jont-
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Re: Glimmer of hope?

Postby jont- » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:03 am

michael769 wrote:It is perhaps worth reading the full report and taking note of the many important caveats most notably:

Motorists may still be under the impression that the cameras are working as the housings are
regularly maintained and not covered in bags stating they are out of use. Previous, unpublished
research by the author has shown that bagged cameras have an immediate impact on vehicles
speeds, which return to normal once the bags are removed.

Does it matter if their speeds increase if the accident rate stays lower? :roll:

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Re: Glimmer of hope?

Postby TripleS » Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:07 pm

jont- wrote:
michael769 wrote:It is perhaps worth reading the full report and taking note of the many important caveats most notably:

Motorists may still be under the impression that the cameras are working as the housings are
regularly maintained and not covered in bags stating they are out of use. Previous, unpublished
research by the author has shown that bagged cameras have an immediate impact on vehicles
speeds, which return to normal once the bags are removed.

Does it matter if their speeds increase if the accident rate stays lower? :roll:


Even if the accident rate stays lower, I feel it is still desirable that speeds should be restrained in built-up areas, if only out of consideration for those who live there, but I doubt if many drivers would think about that.

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Re: Glimmer of hope?

Postby sussex2 » Tue Mar 29, 2016 2:28 pm

The system and the style of driving in the UK is heavily weighted towards the motor vehicle.
I have no problem whatsoever travelling slowly in towns and allowing more vulnerable road users priority.

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Re: Glimmer of hope?

Postby akirk » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:45 pm

TripleS wrote:
....and a Happy Easter to one and all. Er, am I allowed to mention 'Easter'?

Best wishes all,
Dave.

Of course :)
Happy Easter!
Alasdair

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Re: Glimmer of hope?

Postby michael769 » Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:32 am

jont- wrote:
michael769 wrote:It is perhaps worth reading the full report and taking note of the many important caveats most notably:

Motorists may still be under the impression that the cameras are working as the housings are
regularly maintained and not covered in bags stating they are out of use. Previous, unpublished
research by the author has shown that bagged cameras have an immediate impact on vehicles
speeds, which return to normal once the bags are removed.

Does it matter if their speeds increase if the accident rate stays lower? :roll:


I'm not sure how that's relevant to my point?

The report merely tells us what happens if you stop putting cameras in the boxes but leave the boxes in what would appear to most road users as a potentially active installation - ie that drivers continue to behave as if enforcement is taking place.

The report tells us nothing about the impact (on speed or accidents) of removing the installations entirely.

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Re: Glimmer of hope?

Postby dvenman » Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:44 pm

I saw a recent bit on a TV show where a fake speed camera had been installed in Shrewton, Wiltshire - a community SpeedWatch team was regularly recording speeds above 40, and close to 50 on occasion, in a 30 limit with residential properties on the road, and no footpath, with frequent use by pedestrians including mums with prams/toddlers/small kids.

The impact of the camera on traffic speeds was to reduce the flow to 30mph, which really helped the community. But Wiltshire Council, despite evidence of frequent high speeds, was refusing to put a camera up. In this instance the fake did a job where the council wouldn't.

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Re: Glimmer of hope?

Postby TripleS » Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:48 pm

akirk wrote:
TripleS wrote:
....and a Happy Easter to one and all. Er, am I allowed to mention 'Easter'?

Best wishes all,
Dave.

Of course :)
Happy Easter!
Alasdair


Actually, my question was prompted by seeing a newspaper headline claiming that the word 'Easter' was being omitted from Easter Egg packaging, in order to avoid upsetting certain religions! It's probably best if I refrain from saying what I think about that. :evil:

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Re: Glimmer of hope?

Postby fungus » Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:40 pm

TripleS wrote:
akirk wrote:
TripleS wrote:
....and a Happy Easter to one and all. Er, am I allowed to mention 'Easter'?

Best wishes all,
Dave.

Of course :)
Happy Easter!
Alasdair


Actually, my question was prompted by seeing a newspaper headline claiming that the word 'Easter' was being omitted from Easter Egg packaging, in order to avoid upsetting certain religions! It's probably best if I refrain from saying what I think about that. :evil:


Like the collection of Robertsons toys collected by my wife about fifty years ago which I found whilst sorting out the loft last weekend. :shock: They have not been available for years.

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Re: Glimmer of hope?

Postby TripleS » Thu Mar 31, 2016 3:26 pm

fungus wrote:
TripleS wrote:
akirk wrote:
TripleS wrote:
....and a Happy Easter to one and all. Er, am I allowed to mention 'Easter'?

Best wishes all,
Dave.

Of course :)
Happy Easter!
Alasdair


Actually, my question was prompted by seeing a newspaper headline claiming that the word 'Easter' was being omitted from Easter Egg packaging, in order to avoid upsetting certain religions! It's probably best if I refrain from saying what I think about that. :evil:


Like the collection of Robertsons toys collected by my wife about fifty years ago which I found whilst sorting out the loft last weekend. :shock: They have not been available for years.


Our Michael, who will be 52 this year, also collected a set of the Robertsons gollies; I expect they're still around, somewhere. There was a time when I understood them to be quite valuable, but I don't suppose their current value will be very high in this 'enlightened' era.

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Re: Glimmer of hope?

Postby Mr Cholmondeley-Warner » Fri Apr 01, 2016 6:52 pm

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