Pedestrian killed by self driving car.

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Re: Pedestrian killed by self driving car.

Postby Horse » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:05 pm

Triquet wrote:
fungus wrote:Maybe what's needed is simply that drivers pay attention.

Nigel.


It's still the thing that works best.


I could pay full attention to a stationary minibus in front of me - instead of being on the phone - but unless I understand what I'm seeing soon enough, then take appropriate action, the situation will still be as bad.
Your 'standard' is how you drive alone, not how you drive during a test.

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Re: Pedestrian killed by self driving car.

Postby Triquet » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:33 pm

Horse wrote:
Triquet wrote:
fungus wrote:Maybe what's needed is simply that drivers pay attention.

Nigel.


It's still the thing that works best.


I could pay full attention to a stationary minibus in front of me - instead of being on the phone - but unless I understand what I'm seeing soon enough, then take appropriate action, the situation will still be as bad.


But would an autonomous vehicle think " stationary minibus, I can see somebody getting off, are they suddenly going to dart across the road?" :mrgreen:

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Re: Pedestrian killed by self driving car.

Postby ancient » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:36 pm

Triquet wrote:
Horse wrote:
Triquet wrote:
fungus wrote:Maybe what's needed is simply that drivers pay attention.

Nigel.


It's still the thing that works best.


I could pay full attention to a stationary minibus in front of me - instead of being on the phone - but unless I understand what I'm seeing soon enough, then take appropriate action, the situation will still be as bad.


But would an autonomous vehicle think " stationary minibus, I can see somebody getting off, are they suddenly going to dart across the road?" :mrgreen:

All it needs is to register a 'surprise horizon' and be prepared to stop if the situation changes.

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Re: Pedestrian killed by self driving car.

Postby IcedKiwi » Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:56 pm

Ricardo have recently released a white paper on connected and autonomous vehicles for those interested:
https://automotive.ricardo.com/electrification/connected-and-autonomous-vehicles-white-paper
Ricardo wrote:We are at the beginning of a truly massive paradigm shift in mobility and transport – are you ready? Within this publication we define what Connected and Automated (or Autonomous) Vehicles encompass and where they are being used. With a focus on likely automated mobility systems deployed by 2025, commercialisation scenarios are outlined including the impact automation will have on surrounding industries. Key technologies that will be required are introduced as well as the challenges and solutions in development. An early application of automation technologies will be truck platooning, hence the deployment and the impact this will have on the long-distance road haulage industry will be outlined. The influence of CAVs on city congestion is also assessed, and in closing, a view is offered on how technological developments with further solidify the impact CAVs will have by 2035.

If anyone doesn't feel happy putting in an email address to receive the paper feel free to PM me.

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Re: Pedestrian killed by self driving car.

Postby Horse » Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:26 pm

ancient wrote:
Triquet wrote:But would an autonomous vehicle think " stationary minibus, I can see somebody getting off, are they suddenly going to dart across the road?" :mrgreen:

All it needs is to register a 'surprise horizon' and be prepared to stop if the situation changes.


^ That.

Anything more is programming which, with connected vehicles technology included would have the bus sending a message to vehicles in the area which says "Stationary, door open, passenger alighting", so the other vehicles could react accordingly.
Your 'standard' is how you drive alone, not how you drive during a test.

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Re: Pedestrian killed by self driving car.

Postby jont- » Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:28 pm

Horse wrote:
ancient wrote:
Triquet wrote:But would an autonomous vehicle think " stationary minibus, I can see somebody getting off, are they suddenly going to dart across the road?" :mrgreen:

All it needs is to register a 'surprise horizon' and be prepared to stop if the situation changes.


^ That.

Anything more is programming which, with connected vehicles technology included would have the bus sending a message to vehicles in the area which says "Stationary, door open, passenger alighting", so the other vehicles could react accordingly.

A bit like the flashing lights on top of US school busses?

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Re: Pedestrian killed by self driving car.

Postby Horse » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:48 am

jont- wrote:
Horse wrote:
ancient wrote:
Triquet wrote:But would an autonomous vehicle think " stationary minibus, I can see somebody getting off, are they suddenly going to dart across the road?" :mrgreen:

All it needs is to register a 'surprise horizon' and be prepared to stop if the situation changes.


^ That.

Anything more is programming which, with connected vehicles technology included would have the bus sending a message to vehicles in the area which says "Stationary, door open, passenger alighting", so the other vehicles could react accordingly.

A bit like the flashing lights on top of US school busses?


Yes, identical. Like smoke signals and the internet ;)
Your 'standard' is how you drive alone, not how you drive during a test.

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Re: Pedestrian killed by self driving car.

Postby Triquet » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:51 am

This is well and good when all vehicles are "connected", but consider the situation now where school buses are quite often the oldest vehicles in the fleet (due to general neglect and kiddy vandalism). They won't be "connected" for years. Unless we change the rules and (like the US) have special school buses.

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Re: Pedestrian killed by self driving car.

Postby ancient » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:42 am

Some interesting information about Uber's development strategy up to now: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2164297-self-driving-uber-death-should-halt-techs-race-to-the-bottom/

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Re: Pedestrian killed by self driving car.

Postby Strangely Brown » Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:12 am

ancient wrote:Some interesting information about Uber's development strategy up to now: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2164297-self-driving-uber-death-should-halt-techs-race-to-the-bottom/


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