Not "far below the acceptable standard"

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Not "far below the acceptable standard"

Postby ancient » Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:15 pm

If this isn't, just what is? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-35744590

A lorry driver who allegedly "repeatedly and deliberately" rammed a car on a busy motorway has been charged with careless driving.

That's just a bit careless apparently :twisted:

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Re: Not "far below the acceptable standard"

Postby martine » Tue Mar 08, 2016 1:04 pm

Hmmm not enough info there to make a judgement but it will be interesting to follow the court case.
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Re: Not "far below the acceptable standard"

Postby jont- » Tue Mar 08, 2016 1:07 pm

There's not enough info on that story to know if it's the same, but wasn't there a chap recently who just happened to own a dash-cam company who posted up after experiencing similar (possibly after driving in an unreasonable manner in the hope of "provoking a reaction"? While it's not excusable for the lorry driver to behave like that, it seems careless on the part of a car driver to leave their car in a position where a lorry can "repeatedly attempt to cut you up and shunt you twice".

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Re: Not "far below the acceptable standard"

Postby akirk » Tue Mar 08, 2016 1:10 pm

jont- wrote:There's not enough info on that story to know if it's the same, but wasn't there a chap recently who just happened to own a dash-cam company who posted up after experiencing similar (possibly after driving in an unreasonable manner in the hope of "provoking a reaction"? While it's not excusable for the lorry driver to behave like that, it seems careless on the part of a car driver to leave their car in a position where a lorry can "repeatedly attempt to cut you up and shunt you twice".


I seem to remember posts on PH - didn't he run 'police witness' or something - which was basically an opportunity to flog his kit...

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Re: Not "far below the acceptable standard"

Postby ancient » Tue Mar 08, 2016 1:55 pm

martine wrote:Hmmm not enough info there to make a judgement but it will be interesting to follow the court case.

Point missed?

The allegation is that the driver "repeatedly and deliberately" rammed a car on a busy motorway. Apparently this is not enough for a charge of Dangerous Driving to be brought, and instead he has been charged with careless driving.

Whether the evidence in court establishes the allegation or whether it doesn't, is entirely up to the court and we don't have the information to make the judgment as to whether the incident occurred as described. We do know what is alleged and apparently this does not fall "far below the acceptable standard" and is viewed as careless. That view in itself (regardless of whether the allegation is true or false in this particular case) is what I find concerning.

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Re: Not "far below the acceptable standard"

Postby martine » Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:07 pm

ancient wrote:...We do know what is alleged and apparently this does not fall "far below the acceptable standard" and is viewed as careless. That view in itself (regardless of whether the allegation is true or false in this particular case) is what I find concerning.

All we know is what has been reported...and that may or may not be accurate.
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Re: Not "far below the acceptable standard"

Postby akirk » Tue Mar 08, 2016 5:10 pm

martine wrote:
ancient wrote:...We do know what is alleged and apparently this does not fall "far below the acceptable standard" and is viewed as careless. That view in itself (regardless of whether the allegation is true or false in this particular case) is what I find concerning.

All we know is what has been reported...and that may or may not be accurate.


Plus we don't know what bargaining / negotiation has taken place - if for example this is the case alluded to above and therefore there is 'another side to the story' that could have meant that there was a strong negotiating position for the lawyer of the lorry driver...

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Re: Not "far below the acceptable standard"

Postby StressedDave » Tue Mar 08, 2016 9:16 pm

One man's 'ramming' is another man's 'repeated brake test'. And I respectfully suggest that it is all too easy to misjudge the first return at night in an artic. First misjudgment - careless driving. The rest may well be the fault of the car driver tripping up the lorry driver deliberately in finest road rage manner.
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Re: Not "far below the acceptable standard"

Postby Matt1962 » Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:22 am

Must be much more to this than meets the eye I think? The picture shows the lorry cutting in IN FRONT of the car, so how the car then managed to get into a position where the lorry was able to 'deliberately and repeatedly ram' him, god only knows.....


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