IAM reports figures on careless driving

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IAM reports figures on careless driving

Postby akirk » Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:42 am

http://www.iam.org.uk/media-and-researc ... -discovers

The IAM has just reported on 2 years of figures on careless driving, and seem to focus on which areas have the highest numbers... this has then been picked up in the media as being the area of most careless drivers - but of course we don't know the real detail - how much different forces focus on these bookings / where the driver lives (maybe all those from cornwall are driving to west yorkshire to wreck their figures :D)

more interesting though is the types of offences... Merseyside police gave more of a breakdown...
Original results (boring) here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/kuvel5wt37ow8 ... .docx?dl=0
(opens document in dropbox)
maybe someone with more specialist knowledge can explain the difference between:
- Drive a mechanically propelled vehicle on a road / in a public place without due care and attention
- Drive a mechanically propelled vehicle on a road / in a public place without reasonable consideration to other users
unless it is simply that one affects others, the other doesn't...

what interests me is that the IAM do these requests (which must cost some money / take some time) yet there doesn't then seem to be much joined up thinking about promoting their education solution - other than just stating that they provide courses...

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Re: IAM reports figures on careless driving

Postby StressedDave » Fri Oct 16, 2015 9:22 am

akirk wrote:- Drive a mechanically propelled vehicle on a road / in a public place without due care and attention
- Drive a mechanically propelled vehicle on a road / in a public place without reasonable consideration to other users
unless it is simply that one affects others, the other doesn't...

The first is if you stuff someone up the arse because you aren't paying attention
The second is if you're weaving around through traffic making an arse of yourself because you don't care.
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Re: IAM reports figures on careless driving

Postby hir » Fri Oct 16, 2015 9:31 am

akirk wrote:maybe someone with more specialist knowledge can explain the difference between:
- Drive a mechanically propelled vehicle on a road / in a public place without due care and attention
- Drive a mechanically propelled vehicle on a road / in a public place without reasonable consideration to other users
unless it is simply that one affects others, the other doesn't...


Quoted from Patterson Law's website: "Driving without due care and attention tends to relate to lapses in concentration or loss of control of the vehicle. Inconsiderate driving tends to be more about bad decision making or angry/aggressive driving."

By way of example... driving without reasonable consideration to other road users is usually the charge laid against a driver who drenches pedestrians on the pavement by deliberately or inconsiderately driving at speed through standing water. Driving that, which it might be difficult to prove beyond all reasonable doubt,... falls below the standard expected of a competent driver

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Re: IAM reports figures on careless driving

Postby Carbon Based » Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:49 pm

akirk wrote:Merseyside police gave more of a breakdown...


Do you have a link for that breakdown? Does it cover what behaviours are triggering these figures so that we can see how " these offences fall under the lower end of the scale for motoring transgressions"?

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Re: IAM reports figures on careless driving

Postby Mr Cholmondeley-Warner » Fri Oct 16, 2015 7:04 pm

Carbon Based wrote:
akirk wrote:Merseyside police gave more of a breakdown...


Do you have a link for that breakdown? Does it cover what behaviours are triggering these figures so that we can see how " these offences fall under the lower end of the scale for motoring transgressions"?

Just a moment while I read the document for you ... :roll:

The IAM article linked to wrote:A more detailed breakdown of actions deemed to qualify for the offence of careless driving was provided Merseyside Police; which showed 32 drove on the wrong side of the road, or the wrong way down a road (driving without due care and attention), 13 for bad driving at a roundabout (same category), 12 for tailgating and two for intimidating or obstructing a cyclist.
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Re: IAM reports figures on careless driving

Postby Carbon Based » Fri Oct 16, 2015 7:35 pm

:oops:

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Re: IAM reports figures on careless driving

Postby Mr Cholmondeley-Warner » Fri Oct 16, 2015 7:39 pm

;) :mrgreen:
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